Comments on: Joel Spolsky, Snake-Oil Salesman http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/ Random tangents Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:16:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Have the iPad Mini and Nexus 7 Destroyed the Idea of 13″ Tablets? | Pocketnow http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-9208 Thu, 08 Nov 2012 22:16:38 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-9208 […] salesman image source: Stochastic Geometry This post has been tagged with:Amazon Android Apple at330 Editorial excite 13 Google iPad Mini […]

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By: Trade Show Etiquette – Free Mints and First Impressions http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-664 Mon, 03 May 2010 13:22:53 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-664 […] Joel Spolsky, Snake-Oil Salesman | Stochastic Geometry […]

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By: Shlomi Fish http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-411 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:52:50 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-411 In reply to Piccolo Principe.

Ad-hominem, anyone? This thread to be filled of a lot of these.

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By: Mark Dennehy http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-410 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:07:17 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-410 In reply to Bryan.

That isn’t giving it away for free Bryan. It’s just not getting money up front. Like I said above:

Yes, I know it appears that he’s offering it “for free” but appearances are deceptive. Every software company who deals with colleges like this will push their products not merely for free, but with extra donations tagged on. They don’t do it because they’re being altruistic. In fact it’s become a major problem in universities because with funding getting tighter, the pressure to make an economically based decision instead of a teaching based one is enormous. The reason they do this is that it’s a long-term marketing ploy, as explained above. Joel’s just doing it on the cheap. And it’s done in every discipline – Intel funds a clean room here and takes the top two students every year. The top two students here are more often than not actual bona-fide geniuses whose net worth to Intel will far outstrip the cost of the donation Intel made. If the deal can be struck constructively, it can be beneficial, but that’s a rare occurance – and Joel’s idea of a donation just plain isn’t beneficial to anyone but Joel. It is snake oil salesmanship. Heck, it’s not even good snake oil salesmanship at that.

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By: Bryan http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-409 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:22:01 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-409 In reply to Mark Dennehy.

Well, except that he *is* giving it away for free. I’ve been using FogBugz hosted for free for over a year now. That doesn’t mean I’m drinking the Joel Kool-Aid. It just means yes, he actually is giving the software away to certain groups of people, students doing capstone projects included.

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By: zero-blog » The Fallacy of Industrial Expectation http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-408 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:57:39 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-408 […] an arbitrary tool or language that the industry is consistant in its opinion. I read this really great response to his article that echos many of my complaints about this […]

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By: Mark Dennehy http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-407 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:42:44 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-407 In reply to Bryan.

Bryan, as everyone’s said before, it is a sales pitch. Joel’s not giving his stuff away for free here, he’s looking for product placement for free in a market most companies are paying a lot of money to get into. Altruistic, he’s not!

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By: Bryan http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-406 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:01:30 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-406 In reply to Daniel Talsky.

Mark, he isn’t *selling* his wares in that article. He’s offering to give them away for free.

From the article:

“FogBugz would work great for tracking this: if you’re doing a capstone project and need access to FogBugz, please let us know and we’ll be happy to set you up for free. We can also set you up with beta access to kiln, our hosted version of Mercurial, which includes a code review feature.”

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By: OrganizeFISH » Blog Archive » Good Things Happen = Utterly Distracted http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-405 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:51:13 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-405 […] this note, I think Mark Dennehy’s post “Joel Spolsky, Snake-Oil Salesman” is a must follow-up read. The discussion that follows in the comments makes some good […]

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By: Michael Pryor http://178.63.27.54:8080/statictangents/2009/10/27/joel-spolsky-snake-oil-salesman/comment-page-1/#comment-404 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:35:52 +0000 http://stochasticgeometry.wordpress.com/?p=458#comment-404 I like the picture! I’ve never seen Joel in a top hat before.

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